Sunday, September 23, 2007

A little something about Mormons...

Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney is, of course, ... running for President!

Hurrrahhhh!!! No wait, should we be celebrating? Who here really knows what a Mormon is? Since he's not Jewish, it'll probably be ok to talk about his religeous faith, since people tend to think that Mormons are just kind of weird.

Here are a couple of links to sites about Mormonism... but hey, they all sound kind of biased since they talk about real practices of the Mormon religion, so they must be hogwash. Right?

Real Mormon History
Mormon Cult
History of Mormons

Here, we shall attempt to give you a breakdown on Mormonism. You can do your own research, contrast and compare and then decide if you think Mormons are justifiably ... weird or not. And then you can either go and love Romney or run from him.

Mormons, a.k.a. The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints, or LDS. The Mormons are stron adherents to the concept that they are a "restoration" of the earliest Christian and pre-Christian doctrines, basically the Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox "cults" got the whole Jesus Christ thing wrong and Mormons got it right. But let's start In The Beginning, shall we?

Joseph Smith, Jr. (1805 – 1844) was the American founder of the Latter Day Saint movement, also known as Mormonism. His mission was to restore the original Christian church, said to have been lost. Smith was also a political and military leader in the American Midwest. No kidding.

At 14, Smith experienced a "vision." The story goes that young squire Smith was concerned about what religion to follow so he went to a grove of trees to pray. As he prayed, Smith saw God and Jesus Christ. God, and Jesus, both told young Smith that all of the other churches were fake and he should join none of them.

In 1826, at 21, Smith was convicted for being a "disorderly person" and an "impostor" in Bainbridge, New York. In court documents Smith was described as a 'Glass Looker' for using his peep stone (.. that's right.. Peep Stones) to locate buried treasure in exchange for fees. Smith used his burried treasure skills with his 'glass looking' to the extent of discovering the buried golden tablets.

Smith said that, in 1823, he had a resurrected visitor who was a prophet named Moroni. The dead, resurrected prophet named Moroni led Smith to finding a long-buried book... inscribed on metal leaves... which contained a record of God's dealings with the ancient Israelite inhabitants of the Americas.... no really, this is what he said. The record, and artifacts included a sword, a compass-like device, a breastplate and what Smith referred to as the Urim and Thummim.

These all happened to be buried in a hill in his back yard. Smith states that in 1827 that the angel allowed him to take the plates and artifacts. Almost immediately thereafter Smith began having difficulties with his treasure-hunting colleagues who were trying to discover where the plates were hidden on the Smith farm. They were never found by those people.

So far we have the following:

  • A vision from God the creator of the universe and his only son Jesus Christ,
  • A statement from God that all other religions are fake and not to be trusted,
  • A conviction for fraud in NY,
  • A visitation from a resurrected dead prophet named Moroni,
  • Peep Stones, to find buried treasure,
  • unearthed Golden Tablets,
  • A book, written on metal leaves, which depicted God talking to American Israelites,
  • A Sword,
  • Compass,
  • Breastplate,
  • And two things named Urim and Thummim,
  • All on his family's farm.

Smith and his wife moved to Pennsylvania. reported to a few family members that he had translated some of the Reformed Egyptian text from the Golden plates he had found in his back yard, with the help of a resurrected prophet. Smith's friend, Harris, was Smith's scribe who recorded what Smith told him to.

Smith used his "Peep Stones" which he tossed around in one of his hats, and told Harris what to write. A local school teacher, named Oliver Cowdery, took an interest in Smith's story and began acting as a scribe as well. However, Smith would not allow anyone to see or touch the golden plates which he kept hidden in the woods even while translating.

Around 1829 Smith completed the translation and out came the book of Mormon. Smith then received new instructions from God whereas he started organizing a new Christian church. Smith and Cowdery, after baptizing each other, proceeded to baptize several followers who called themselves the Church of Christ. This new church was based on Smith's view of Christian theology wile translating golden plates that he dug up in his back yard.

In 1830 branches of the Church of Christ were set up in NY. People immediately started hating them so Smith claimed to have set up a City of Zion on American Indian land in Missouri. They left Pennsylvania and planted themselves in Ohio. But in Ohio they beat and tar and feathered Smith, he was hated so bad!

The built a temple in Kirtland, Ohio in 1836 surrounded by appearance of Jesus, Moses, Elijah, Elias, numerous angels, etc. Smith created an "anti-bank" but it failed 21 days later. He and his associates were accused of illegal and unethical actions, by the very people who were duped into financing his anti-bank fiasco. So, Smith skipped out of Kirtland (heading to Missouri) late one night with his followers... along with $6,100 in civil suits and a warrant for Smith's arrest.

Smith stated that they would build a temple in Missouri and that it will be the future center of New Jerusalem. Local leaders were afraid that the influx of Mormons would ruin their community. The locals banded together and beat the hell out of the Mormons and jailed several for months.

Smith and Co. escaped Missouri in 1839. Are you seeing the pattern here? Pennsylvania, Ohio, Missouri... SO, they set up in Illinois, created a city named Nauvoo, and even created their own militia named the Nauvoo Legion. In Nauvoo, Smith taught about plural marriages.

In 1644 a paper made some statements about Smith, who was the mayor of Nauvoo, that caused Smith to state that the newspaper was a public nuisance. Nauvoo's mayor, Smith, in conjunction with the city council, ordered the city marshal to destroy the paper and the press on June 10, 1844.

Smith, his brother, and some followers were jailed. The locals stormed the jail, shot Smith while he was trying to escape and shot his dead body several more times to make sure he was good and dead.

Mitt Romney is a Republican Mormon running for President of the United States.


3 comments:

Anonymous said...

And now you derail into pure biggotry.

Look at that. You've hinted at your homophobia in the past. Now your derailing in trying to define a candidate solely by his religous background (which his political history breaks a long way from being he was the most liberal of the Presidential candidates until he ran for President).

Common on now. Just because your straight doesn't mean you need to be narrow. Ain't that what the hipster kids are saying these days.

God this is great. Your really just putting it all out there in one group of posts. Your narrow hate for yourself projected onto whole classes of stereotyped people.

Whats even better is your probably falling behind in your school work playing with blogs in class. Is this type of hate thought really worth getting C's and not getting into a good University level program?

Come on now, Hillary Clinton won't hire you if your a C student.

Bot said...

The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often misunderstood . . Some accuse the Church of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion . . This article helps to clarify such misconceptions

· Baptism: .

Early Christian churches, practiced baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family (note above photo of a baptismal font). . The local congregation had a lay ministry. An early Christian Church has been re-constructed at the Israel Museum, and the above can be verified. http://www.imj.org.il/eng/exhibitions/2000/christianity/ancientchurch/structure/index.html
The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continues baptism and a lay ministry as taught by Jesus’ Apostles. Early Christians were persecuted for keeping their practices sacred, and prohibiting non-Christians from witnessing them.

• The Trinity: .

A literal reading of the New Testament points to God and Jesus Christ , His Son , being separate , divine beings , united in purpose. . To whom was Jesus praying in Gethsemane, and Who was speaking to Him and his apostles on the Mount of Transfiguration?

The Nicene Creed”s definition of the Trinity was influenced by scribes translating the Greek manuscripts into Latin. The scribes embellished on a passage explaining the Trinity , which is the Catholic and Protestant belief that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The oldest versions of the epistle of 1 John, read: "There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water and the blood and these three are one."

Scribes later added "the Father, the Word and the Spirit," and it remained in the epistle when it was translated into English for the King James Version, according to Dr. Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Religion Department at UNC- Chapel Hill. . He no longer believes in the Nicene Trinity. .

Scholars agree that Early Christians believed in an embodied God; it was neo-Platonist influences that later turned Him into a disembodied Spirit. Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was also part of Early Christian belief. St. Athanasius of Alexandria (Eastern Orthodox) wrote, regarding theosis, "The Son of God became man, that we might become God. " . The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views the Trinity as three separate divine beings , in accord with the earliest Greek New Testament manuscripts.

• The Deity of Jesus Christ

Mormons hold firmly to the deity of Christ. For members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS), Jesus is not only the Son of God but also God the Son. Evangelical pollster George Barna found in 2001 that while only 33 percent of American Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodists (28 percent of Episcopalians) agreed that Jesus was “without sin”, 70 percent of Mormons believe Jesus was sinless. http://www.adherents.com/misc/BarnaPoll.html

• The Cross and Christ’s Atonement: .
The Cross became popular as a Christian symbol in the Fifth Century A.D. . Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) believe the proper Christian symbol is Christ’s resurrection , not his crucifixion on the Cross. Many Mormon chapels feature paintings of the resurrected Christ or His Second Coming. Furthermore, members of the church believe the major part of Christ’s atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane as Christ took upon him the sins of all mankind.

• Definition of “Christian”: .

But Mormons don’t term Catholics and Protestants “non-Christian”. They believe Christ’s atonement applies to all mankind. The dictionary definition of a Christian is “of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ”: All of the above denominations are followers of Christ, and consider him divine, and the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. They all worship the one and only true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and address Him in prayer as prescribed in The Lord’s Prayer.

It’s important to understand the difference between Reformation and Restoration when we consider who might be authentic Christians. . Early Christians had certain ordinances which defined a Christian http://sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/207/2070037.htm , which members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continue today. . If members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) embrace early Christian theology, they are likely more “Christian” than their detractors.

• The Need for a Restoration of the Christian Church:

The founder of the Baptist Church in America, Roger Williams, just prior to leaving the church he established, said this:

"There is no regularly constituted church of Christ on earth, nor any person qualified to administer any church ordinances; nor can there be until new apostles are sent by the Great Head of the Church for whose coming I am seeking.” (Picturesque America, p. 502.)

Martin Luther had similar thoughts: "Nor can a Christian believer be forced beyond sacred Scriptures,...unless some new and proved revelation should be added; for we are forbidden by divine law to believe except what is proved either through the divine Scriptures or through Manifest revelation."

He also wrote: "I have sought nothing beyond reforming the Church in conformity with the Holy Scriptures. The spiritual powers have been not only corrupted by sin, but absolutely destroyed; so that there is now nothing in them but a depraved reason and a will that is the enemy and opponent of God. I simply say that Christianity has ceased to exist among those who should have preserved it."

The Lutheran, Baptist and Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) churches recognize an apostasy from early Christianity. The Lutheran and Baptist churches have attempted reform, but Mormonism (and Roger Williams, and perhaps Martin Luther) require inspired restoration, so as to re-establish an unbroken line of authority and apostolic succession.

* * *


· Christ-Like Lives:

. . .The 2005 National Study of Youth and Religion published by UNC-Chapel Hill found that Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) youth (ages 13 to 17) were more likely to exhibit these Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group):

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . LDS . . Evangelical

Attend Religious Services weekly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71% . . . . 55%

Importance of Religious Faith in shaping daily life –

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . extremely important . . 52 . . . . . . 28

Believes in life after death . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 76 . . . . . . 62

Does NOT believes in psychics or
fortune-tellers. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100 . . . . . . 95

Has taught religious education classes . . . . . . . . . .42 . . . . . . 28

Has fasted or denied something as
spiritual discipline . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .68 . . . . . . 22

Sabbath Observance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .67 . . . . . . 40

Shared religious faith with someone
not of their faith . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .72 . . . . . . 56

Family talks about God, scriptures,
prayer daily . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .50 . . . . . . 19

Supportiveness of church for parent in
trying to raise teen (very supportive) . . . . . . . . . . 65 . . . . . . 26

Church congregation has done an excellent job in helping
Teens better understand their own sexuality and
sexual morality. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 84 . . . . . . 35

PortlandJosh said...

Dear Dare~

I don’t want anyone to be in charge who believes that fortune tellers with magic rocks can derive eternal truth from golden tablets left by American Indians who were really lost tribes of Israel and that he can become God of his own universe someday. I don’t want a president who can pretend that this is true in order to fit in (if that’s what he’s doing.) I don’t want a commander in chief who can say this is what he believes if he does not (if that’s what he’s doing.) I don’t want a president who does not know what it is he says he believes (if that’s the case.) One way or another, I do not want a Mormon for president.

I do not want a president who cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality representing my country any more than I would want a barely literate lawyer who cannot tell the difference between “your” and “you’re” (see above) representing me legally.

Smart Republicans (especially smart Republican lawyers) usually spend their time taking other people’s money. You obviously write too poorly to be getting paid for this, so how is it that end up having time to post so prolifically? You possess the ego, but lack the skill set and values of the background and education you claim. I, therefore, do not believe that you actually are what you claim to be.

I’m no Republican lawyer, but I’ll tell you now that I don’t care if you respond to me, as I probably won’t waste the time to read it.